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		<title>By: Gary F</title>
		<link>http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/2009/09/do-you-know-where-your-postboxes-are/comment-page-1/#comment-125356</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nicholas, we can already report broken streetlights on a map thanks to the wonderful fixmystreet.com. You click on a map to pinpoint the location of the broken light. With hindsight I can see the benefit if the map automatically showed you the exact locations (down to 1m) taking some of the guess work out of &quot;pinning the tail on the donkey&quot;.

True, I appreciate there is (sometimes hidden) value in releasing these data sets to the public. But I was still annoyed that funding was given to the &quot;where&#039;s my nearest postbox&quot; website idea that won a competition last year. A dedicated website is not necessary and a waste of public money if the data is simply put into the public domain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nicholas, we can already report broken streetlights on a map thanks to the wonderful fixmystreet.com. You click on a map to pinpoint the location of the broken light. With hindsight I can see the benefit if the map automatically showed you the exact locations (down to 1m) taking some of the guess work out of &#8220;pinning the tail on the donkey&#8221;.</p>
<p>True, I appreciate there is (sometimes hidden) value in releasing these data sets to the public. But I was still annoyed that funding was given to the &#8220;where&#8217;s my nearest postbox&#8221; website idea that won a competition last year. A dedicated website is not necessary and a waste of public money if the data is simply put into the public domain.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/2009/09/do-you-know-where-your-postboxes-are/comment-page-1/#comment-124984</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Gary F

I&#039;ve OFTEN wanted access to this data. OK I already know the location of my nearest postbox. But this would be GREAT for when I am on the move in unfamiliar places. Especially with those all-important collection times!

It may escape you, but there are so many unexpected benefits of opening this kind of data. Nicholas is right. Charles quoted a good example in the post (that of travelling salesman efficiencies) - and that&#039;s just one.

Royal Mail are being ridiculous here. Talk about not knowing a good thing when they see it!

It&#039;s like a bank not revealing where its branches are. Or maybe it&#039;s more analogous to cash machines...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gary F</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve OFTEN wanted access to this data. OK I already know the location of my nearest postbox. But this would be GREAT for when I am on the move in unfamiliar places. Especially with those all-important collection times!</p>
<p>It may escape you, but there are so many unexpected benefits of opening this kind of data. Nicholas is right. Charles quoted a good example in the post (that of travelling salesman efficiencies) &#8211; and that&#8217;s just one.</p>
<p>Royal Mail are being ridiculous here. Talk about not knowing a good thing when they see it!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like a bank not revealing where its branches are. Or maybe it&#8217;s more analogous to cash machines&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Verge</title>
		<link>http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/2009/09/do-you-know-where-your-postboxes-are/comment-page-1/#comment-124925</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Verge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Gary F.
&quot;It escapes me why anyone would want to power on their computer and a website to find out where their nearest postbox is....&quot;

What appears to escape you is the entire point of the Free-our-Data campaign. You and I, every citizen of this country owns the Royal Mail, has paid for its creation and upkeep over the years since its foundation. You/we therefore have a right to know where its post boxes are, the locations of postcode boundaries. Ditto, to Ordnance Survey and Met Office etc data for the same reasons.

&quot;What next? Where’s my nearest street light?&quot;

But, if your street light is not working you might like to be able to go to a website and click on a map showing where it is to report the fault, rather than give the LA some vague location.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gary F.<br />
&#8220;It escapes me why anyone would want to power on their computer and a website to find out where their nearest postbox is&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>What appears to escape you is the entire point of the Free-our-Data campaign. You and I, every citizen of this country owns the Royal Mail, has paid for its creation and upkeep over the years since its foundation. You/we therefore have a right to know where its post boxes are, the locations of postcode boundaries. Ditto, to Ordnance Survey and Met Office etc data for the same reasons.</p>
<p>&#8220;What next? Where’s my nearest street light?&#8221;</p>
<p>But, if your street light is not working you might like to be able to go to a website and click on a map showing where it is to report the fault, rather than give the LA some vague location.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary F</title>
		<link>http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/2009/09/do-you-know-where-your-postboxes-are/comment-page-1/#comment-124790</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It escapes me why anyone would want to power on their computer and a website to find out where their nearest postbox is. Has a survey been done to find out how many people don&#039;t know where their nearest is? People should be encouraged to step outside their homes and have a little stroll around their neighbourhood if they haven&#039;t already doen that in the months or years they&#039;ve lived in the same place for.

For once, good on the RM for not releasing that data. It&#039;s a silly idea. What next? Where&#039;s my nearest street light?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It escapes me why anyone would want to power on their computer and a website to find out where their nearest postbox is. Has a survey been done to find out how many people don&#8217;t know where their nearest is? People should be encouraged to step outside their homes and have a little stroll around their neighbourhood if they haven&#8217;t already doen that in the months or years they&#8217;ve lived in the same place for.</p>
<p>For once, good on the RM for not releasing that data. It&#8217;s a silly idea. What next? Where&#8217;s my nearest street light?</p>
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		<title>By: PO BO</title>
		<link>http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/2009/09/do-you-know-where-your-postboxes-are/comment-page-1/#comment-124786</link>
		<dc:creator>PO BO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/2009/09/do-you-know-where-your-postboxes-are/comment-page-1/#comment-124626</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PAF doesn&#039;t have every address, just look at the money ONS census are having to spend to get a one off address list for census enumeration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PAF doesn&#8217;t have every address, just look at the money ONS census are having to spend to get a one off address list for census enumeration.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter W</title>
		<link>http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/2009/09/do-you-know-where-your-postboxes-are/comment-page-1/#comment-124570</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised the National Security flag has not been waved yet. A number of years backs, I was refused to have postboxes as they were a terrorist target. Maybe I will just look for LB references on OS maps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised the National Security flag has not been waved yet. A number of years backs, I was refused to have postboxes as they were a terrorist target. Maybe I will just look for LB references on OS maps.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/2009/09/do-you-know-where-your-postboxes-are/comment-page-1/#comment-124521</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Postal delivery, maybe - they do know the locations of all the houses through the PAF dataset. But postbox pickup - how can they do travelling salesman analysis if they don&#039;t know where their postboxes are? :) The data they released, giving non-structured textual descriptions of each location, are all the data they have, they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Postal delivery, maybe &#8211; they do know the locations of all the houses through the PAF dataset. But postbox pickup &#8211; how can they do travelling salesman analysis if they don&#8217;t know where their postboxes are? :) The data they released, giving non-structured textual descriptions of each location, are all the data they have, they say.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Singleton</title>
		<link>http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/2009/09/do-you-know-where-your-postboxes-are/comment-page-1/#comment-124520</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I have no evidence, I would find it amazing if RM didn&#039;t already complete travelling salesman type analysis for their postal delivery - they are a logistics company after all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I have no evidence, I would find it amazing if RM didn&#8217;t already complete travelling salesman type analysis for their postal delivery &#8211; they are a logistics company after all?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/2009/09/do-you-know-where-your-postboxes-are/comment-page-1/#comment-124491</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://postboxes.iamnear.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;postboxes.iamnear.net&lt;/a&gt; for an example of using the crowdsourced data in anger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, see <a href="http://postboxes.iamnear.net" rel="nofollow">postboxes.iamnear.net</a> for an example of using the crowdsourced data in anger.</p>
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