Costing ernestmarples (and free data) vs paid-for
Somewhat late, but better than..
In the Guardian on Thursday, we have the cost-benefit analysis – if somewhat cursory – of having Royal Mail charge for its PostZon database (as used by ernestmarples, though indirectly) and having it available for free. So, for example, did RM lose out through ernestmarples? Or did we taxpayers benefit?
In Who would really benefit if postcode data were free, we add it up.
Royal Mail claimed that Richard Pope and Harry Metcalfe, the duo behind the site, had caused it “loss”. As the PostZon database being accessed via ernestmarples.com – named after the man who introduced postcodes to the UK – costs about £4,000 a year to license, could it be right?
Some simple calculations show that in fact everyone else, including the government that owns Royal Mail, and perhaps even Royal Mail itself, would benefit from the data being free.
Pope and Metcalfe point out that ernestmarples.com, which queried other websites that provide PostZon data for its postcode-location conversions, fed a number of their other websites – including Job Centre Pro Plus (which used a postcode lookup to find jobs near you), Planning Alerts (which alerts you to new planning applications in your area) and The Straight Choice (used to file election leaflets by area).
Job Centre Pro Plus had 437,354 searches for jobs since March this year, according to Metcalfe. If only 0.001% of those led to someone finding employment and saved £100 in benefit payments, then ernestmarples.com has, overall, saved the government money.
And Pope points out that professional property developers used PlanningAlerts “since it allows them to look for opportunities/competition”.
If that led them to work worth more than £20,000, the 25% corporate tax rate means the government has received more in tax revenue than it has lost from Pope and Metcalfe’s non-licensing of PostZon. Pope also notes that “few councils were using the PlanningAlerts API [programming interface] since it was easier and cheaper than paying external consultants to hack they achingly bad internal systems.” He points to Lincoln City Council, where PlanningAlerts was used to generate the RSS feed and map for planning. Would it cost more than £4,000 for Lincoln to build a system to do the job PlanningAlerts enabled?
Furthermore, “I was told by someone at the Electoral Commission that they used the Straight Choice during the Euro elections to monitor parties,” Pope said. “The alternative would be paying for hundreds of field agents (which they can’t afford).”
Rufus Pollock, a Cambridge economist who co-wrote a study for the government on the economic benefit of making trading funds’ data free, calculates that making PostZon free would bring an economic benefit 50% greater than Royal Mail’s present revenues.
Subequently it’s been suggested to me that the cost of licensing is more like £1,200 rather than £4,000 – which makes the case for benefit from free data even greater.
- The following posts may be related...(the database guesses):
- Royal Mail threat likely to close ernestmarples.org (5 October 2009; score: 47.5%)
- A new No.10 petition: free PostZon (28 January 2010; score: 35.27%)
- Naughty, very naughty: Ernest Marples frees the postcodes (11 July 2009; score: 27.39%)
- Why is the government trying to corner the market for travel-direction sites? (29 June 2006; score: 20.26%)
- Data.gov.uk: now that's what we call a result (25 January 2010; score: 16%)

October 14th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I’ve left a note on Tom Watsons blog but I’ve copied this below – this is bizzare but should help everyone in the UK
All,
It is strange that in these times it is better to go to the USA providers to get UK information that to providers in the UK.
I am talking here about Yahoo and their GeoPlanet set of web services. All anyone needs to is sign up to get a developer ID and then you have access to the postcodes for FREE without limit on use – strange but true and really shows how providers such as the Royal Mail (also think Ordnance Survey) aren’t quite up to speed with the Internet age.
The following link will allow this
Have you tried the FREE to USE GeoPlanet from YAHOO? This has postcodes that can be used
http://developer.yahoo.com/geo/placemaker/index.html
This will solve the problems for all your clients / websites
Thanks and I hope this helps
Mike
October 19th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
@mike – aren’t yahoo simply licensing a part of the PAF (and thereby data remains tainted)?
I can’t imagine it any other way.
October 21st, 2009 at 9:40 am
I’ve just tested the Yahoo API and it produced an accurate geocoding for my own postcode (I tested it using the Google Maps API and it was off by 12 miles). So it looks like Yahoo might be giving access to the full PAF.
Even better, the Terms and Conditions for this API don’t appear to restrict its usage to real-time access (previous APIs always seemed to have a clause in their Ts & Cs that prevent caching a result set, which limited their usefulness). I need to read it through more carefully though, just in case ;-)
Simon